Inner cylinders rich, outer cylinders lean??

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Wed May 11, 2011 11:10 am

Hell, I would have never thought about that if v8ranger hadn't mentioned the divider plate on his boat intake.

cgrey8 · Post by **cgrey8** » Wed May 11, 2011 11:23 am

See if you can get pics. Seeing what you are dealing with might solve some questions.

v8ranger · Post by **v8ranger** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:10 am

How did you ever make out with this??? Where you able to figure out why it was doing that??

MalcolmV8 · Post by **MalcolmV8** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:26 am

Nope he just kept driving it. It's something I'd want to fix asap but he just wants to drive. Ahhh sucks. When I told him he had to pull the intake and check things out he just blew that off. I just hope he doesn't blow that motor up as he has a ton of money in it.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:24 am

I hate to hear that with as much money as he has tied up in there. He's either going to melt the outers or wash out the walls and rings on the inners. Either way it's a bad thing. Some people...

cgrey8 · Post by **cgrey8** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:25 am

Any chance he'd consider CNG? No washing or liquid pooling to worry about.

MalcolmV8 · Post by **MalcolmV8** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:09 am

lol not unless CNG added 100hp. He's talking nitrous now and I wouldn't be surprised if E85 is in the near future. Already bought a nitrous kit. However he's going to have to fix a problem first. We were out running yesterday (hit up a local show/cruise) and then on the way home he let out of it at high rpms in 3rd and went to put it in first and I think he accidentally put it in 2nd, we're not entirely sure what happened, and the car momentarily shot up to about 8k rpms and then died. That's pretty high rpms for a mopar 440 stroked and bored to a 493.

He has a manual valve body in the tranny and it works like this P R N 1 2 3. So manual valve body meaning there is no D or drive. You manually shift it from 1s to 2nd to 3rd and down. Also if you're already rolling and put it in 1st say from 2nd or 3rd it'll drop to idle and stay there and let the car coast unless you touch the throttle then it'll engage first and make it grab. So what had happened is he had the car wrapped up to 6k rpms in 3rd which is as high as it goes (6k spark cut out) and he did the double tap it knock it in 1st and coast down to slower speeds but something went wrong and it either went into 2nd only or 1st and somehow it engaged. We don't know. What we do know is it suddenly wrapped the rpms to 8k or so and now it doesn't start lol.

We confirmed he's still getting fuel and spark so I'm thinking maybe bent pushrods? He's doing a compression test now so we'll see what he finds.

Here's a few pics of the charger.

Micky Thompsons on the back. Boy do those suckers hook. Just put those on yesterday (day pic was taken). Didn't even have a chance to get the matching front rims on yet.

My car, a buddies 2011 SVT Packaged GT500 and of course the Charger

On the way home and some problems

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:03 pm

Now that's a good looking charger! Hopefully he can get it figured out and getting running again. 8k is pretty high for an engine that size unless it was built to handle it. I use to take my stock 289 to 8k now and again, it's scary that high up.

Best of luck to him.

MalcolmV8 · Post by **MalcolmV8** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:23 pm

Yeah it's pretty clean and nice car. Definitely gets a lot of attention where ever it goes. His motor is pretty stout but I don't think it was made for that high rpms. He has forged internals, h-beam rods etc. but he never intended on spinning the motor more than 6k.

carvinmark · Post by **carvinmark** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:12 pm

Good looking plum crazy Charger, he better get the problem fixed befor the Nitros, nitros causes a lean cylinder condition so you can feed more fuel. With the few lean cylinders allready, he's going to be very sad when he hits it.

MalcolmV8 · Post by **MalcolmV8** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:38 pm

Oh I know. Myself and some other friends have tried explaining that to him but he's all gun ho about just running it so he may have to learn that one the hard way.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon May 30, 2011 2:34 pm

MalcolmV8 wrote:Oh I know. Myself and some other friends have tried explaining that to him but he's all gun ho about just running it so he may have to learn that one the hard way.

That's also a very, very expensive way to learn. I have always had a sweet spot in my heart for them late Dodges/Plymoughs. They sure had the power back then, today's performace cars would blow their door off - still like to have one of them old school big blocks, it's ani't all just it what power you got.
Dave of the Nord

MalcolmV8 · Post by **MalcolmV8** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:04 pm

We used to blow his doors off too when he had his old 360 in there but I tell you what that 493 is pretty dang wicked. From about a 50 mph roll to 120ish I only pull about 3 car cars on him. Sometimes more and I'm not sure why. I don't think that carb technology is very consistent

That 2011 GT 500 with the SVT package, 3:73 gears is not bad either. Factory 550 hp and it only pulls about 1/2 to 1 car on that Charger.

Needless to say he blows the doors of most cars on the streets with no problem. Kills the new 5.0 Mustangs, even the majority of the GT 500s who have regular guys driving that don't know how to really drive them and shift.

However my car has A/C, power steering, smooth ride, corners like it's on rails, stops on a dime and decent gas mileage.
Charger: no A/C, no heat even, no power steering, corners like an ocean liner, stopping is scary as hell at best with those factory drums and at some 4 ~ 6 mpg it's down right horrible for anything but a toy. To me there's just no overall comparison to today's cars. Take it to a car show though or just stop at a gas station and it attracts people like I've never seen before.

v8ranger · Post by **v8ranger** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:19 am

MalcolmV8 wrote:However my car has A/C, power steering, smooth ride, corners like it's on rails, stops on a dime and decent gas mileage.
Charger: no A/C, no heat even, no power steering, corners like an ocean liner, stopping is scary as hell at best with those factory drums and at some 4 ~ 6 mpg it's down right horrible for anything but a toy. To me there's just no overall comparison to today's cars. Take it to a car show though or just stop at a gas station and it attracts people like I've never seen before.

I like old school myself also, but your right, you cant beat today's technology. His car looks great though... Would look much better if he had matching rims all the way around it....

plowboy34 · Post by **plowboy34** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:51 am

I'm old skool too but I am old. If your only pulling him that much maybe if he would try to get that thing tuned right he might give you a run. I know you know but if he puts nitrous on that thing with a lean condition that engine is history.....garunteed.

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