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Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:05 pm
by 302project
I finally got some tune done to the truck but unfortunately not like i want it but it works. Anyways here are some vids.
Watch closely the second video and notice that I loose traction at 80mph+ And this is only at 12 lbs of boost!!! :mrgreen:

YouTube - My Turbo V8 Ranger First Drive

YouTube - Driving my turbo v8 ranger

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:28 pm
by MalcolmV8
Only 12 lbs lol. That's a fair amount. Did they tune it on the dyno? what sorta of numbers did it lay down?

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:42 pm
by 302project
Yes only 12 lbs, i want to go for 25+ lbs in the future when I get the truck running right and when I learn how not to crap my pants lol. Now the tunning is a long story but to say it short,
they didn't so a dyno tunning, they just flash my chip with a basic tune. So I don't know how much HP it has but I'm guessing 450+ to the wheels but I don't know.
When I fix a couple of problems I'll take it again to the dyno for some number. I'm dying to know too :D

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:49 pm
by MalcolmV8
Wow 25lbs + is race fuel right? I know on my car 18 ~ 19lbs is about all you can get out of it on pump gas (93 octane). I only have 91 in Kansas City so I don't know how much boost I can safely run. Right now I'm at 15 lbs but I still need to get my tune dialed in properly. I just got my DynoJet wideband installed today.
What compression ratio are you running to handle that much boost?

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:27 am
by cgrey8
I was thinking E85 could probably handle 25PSI on gasoline compression. Thus you could build the engine to run that much pressure when you wanted to race it and fill it with E85. But if this was to be a frequently driven vehicle too, you could run pump gas...and of course for safety, you'd want to reset the waste gate to something much lower. And of course, you'd need a tune you could flip between when running E85, gasoline, and some mix in between (both spark and fuel demand change between the two fuels).

As for the tuning, SCT pretty much can't be beat on EEC-V stuff...at least right now. Although the Quarterhorse and the supporting tools are coming up to speed for even them. But that's going to take time. However an A9L is far better tuned on something like a Moates Quarterhorse. The SCT stuff sucks for EEC-IV because they don't have datalogging for the older EECs. And in order to so serious tuning, you need to be able to see what the EEC is doing to know how to adjust the tune. Otherwise, you are just guessing.

If your budget can swing it, I'd seriously recommend looking into getting the QH so once you get it to the dyno, they can see much more accurately what is going on and make instantaneous changes to the tune without having to shut the engine down, pull the chip, re-burn the chip, and plug the chip back to the EEC, crank the engine, wait past the "startup" period, and then retest. With the QH, you type in the new value, hit the update button, and in less than a second, the change is effective in the EEC. This makes it 100x easier and faster to dial in spark and fuel tables. The most important thing you need from the dyno is to know what spark and fuel numbers run best with your engine at WOT. Almost everything else related to driveability can be tuned without the dyno before or after going to the dyno. So what most people do is try to tune it all themselves, get everything as close as they can. Then go to the dyno for the WOT stuff. You may even wish to get it dyno tuned for both gasoline and E85 if that's the route you choose so you can get safe/optimial tunes for running both at WOT.

Of course all that does require that you already have a laptop. The interesting thing is there are people on the tuning forums that are using those little $300 net books to tune and finding they actually work 1/2 way decent. Although I personally need the big screen. The laptop is my 2nd dashboard. I occasionally glance down at it just to keep an eye on what's going on. Thus, I need the bigger screen to be able to see the numbers I'm looking for at a glance.

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:29 pm
by lefty
Hey 302Project is that south FL. ? Looks like Hialeah or North miami . Just courious........

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:39 pm
by 302project
lefty wrote:Hey 302Project is that south FL. ? Looks like Hialeah or North miami . Just courious........
Pretty good guess! It's in opa locka, south florida next to the palmetto

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:53 pm
by MalcolmV8
Chris,

Wish I had E85 locally at my pumps. I'd switch my car in a heartbeat. For now I live with pump gas.

Malcolm

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:46 pm
by lefty
Brings back memories . I was born and raised in south miami . Now in Daytona area .still get down there once in a while ... Truck looks good keep up the good work..

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:33 pm
by 302project
cgrey8 wrote:I was thinking E85 could probably handle 25PSI on gasoline compression. Thus you could build the engine to run that much pressure when you wanted to race it and fill it with E85. But if this was to be a frequently driven vehicle too, you could run pump gas...and of course for safety, you'd want to reset the waste gate to something much lower. And of course, you'd need a tune you could flip between when running E85, gasoline, and some mix in between (both spark and fuel demand change between the two fuels).

As for the tuning, SCT pretty much can't be beat on EEC-V stuff...at least right now. Although the Quarterhorse and the supporting tools are coming up to speed for even them. But that's going to take time. However an A9L is far better tuned on something like a Moates Quarterhorse. The SCT stuff sucks for EEC-IV because they don't have datalogging for the older EECs. And in order to so serious tuning, you need to be able to see what the EEC is doing to know how to adjust the tune. Otherwise, you are just guessing.

If your budget can swing it, I'd seriously recommend looking into getting the QH so once you get it to the dyno, they can see much more accurately what is going on and make instantaneous changes to the tune without having to shut the engine down, pull the chip, re-burn the chip, and plug the chip back to the EEC, crank the engine, wait past the "startup" period, and then retest. With the QH, you type in the new value, hit the update button, and in less than a second, the change is effective in the EEC. This makes it 100x easier and faster to dial in spark and fuel tables. The most important thing you need from the dyno is to know what spark and fuel numbers run best with your engine at WOT. Almost everything else related to driveability can be tuned without the dyno before or after going to the dyno. So what most people do is try to tune it all themselves, get everything as close as they can. Then go to the dyno for the WOT stuff. You may even wish to get it dyno tuned for both gasoline and E85 if that's the route you choose so you can get safe/optimial tunes for running both at WOT.

Of course all that does require that you already have a laptop. The interesting thing is there are people on the tuning forums that are using those little $300 net books to tune and finding they actually work 1/2 way decent. Although I personally need the big screen. The laptop is my 2nd dashboard. I occasionally glance down at it just to keep an eye on what's going on. Thus, I need the bigger screen to be able to see the numbers I'm looking for at a glance.
Nice write up!
I'll be definitely look at the QH

Thanks for the info!!!

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:43 pm
by v8ranger
Pretty sweet video man..... I bet your pushing more than 450, just my opinion.

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:17 pm
by 302project
^ Thanks!
You are probably right but I was just guessing since I have no idea what i'm making, but I think is a little more than the na 347 stroker that I had before :D
Hopefully I'll dyno tune it after I fix my overheating problem which will be soon

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:23 am
by v8ranger
I'm guessing my supercharged Ranger to be around 400hp and I'm only running 6 pounds of boost.

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:30 pm
by 302project
^^^have you driven your truck? Does it pull hard?

I feel mine pulling if I ease the throttle but when the turbo starts coming alive I loose traction it doesnt pull lol

Re: Driving my turbocharged v8 ranger

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:47 am
by v8ranger
Yes I have been driving mine all summer. Like I said, im only putting out 6 pounds of boost. So I dont have a problem loosing traction over 35mph or anything. Now 25 or 30 I can get it to break loose. I got stuck out in the rain with it one day, now thats intresting. I am still running a stock 5.0 HO block and pistons. And mine is not EFI. Your running 22 pounds of boost? that would be insane.. lol. You might have to do what the old trucker did to his Ranger, put 10 foot wide tires on it, lol. Do you have a posi rear end? Not sure what you mean by "pull" like pull, right? or pull hard because of horse power?