short block, long block
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Re: short block, long block
Short Block = Block with crank, pistons, cam, etc but without heads
Long Block = A shortblock with heads.
It has nothing to do with the "length" of the block. A better term would've been "tall" block. But even that would be confusing in the context of SBFs since SBF 302s are shorter in deck height than the SBF 351s.
Long Block = A shortblock with heads.
It has nothing to do with the "length" of the block. A better term would've been "tall" block. But even that would be confusing in the context of SBFs since SBF 302s are shorter in deck height than the SBF 351s.
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Re: short block, long block
I thought so, a buddy was telling me a long block is a longer block and I was arguing that it wasn't!!!
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Re: short block, long block
If the short block includes cam is it a 4.6 or 302?
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Re: short block, long block
If you have a 4.6 short block with a cam you have a mighty rare item...
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Re: short block, long block
Yeah yeah, OHC short blocks won't have a cam(s).
What I don't know is if short block , by definition, includes the timing cover, oil pump, pan, and balancer. I think some of these items are assumed included, but others are optional. If anybody finds a website from someone reputable like Summit Racing that defines what the industry accepted meaning of those terms is, I'd be really interested to know. I've always just known the most significant difference is short block doesn't have heads and long block does.
What I don't know is if short block , by definition, includes the timing cover, oil pump, pan, and balancer. I think some of these items are assumed included, but others are optional. If anybody finds a website from someone reputable like Summit Racing that defines what the industry accepted meaning of those terms is, I'd be really interested to know. I've always just known the most significant difference is short block doesn't have heads and long block does.
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Re: short block, long block
Ford sells their short blocks without the front cover, dampener, oil pan or pump.
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Re: short block, long block
What about their long blocks??? Do they include all those things?
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Re: short block, long block
Front cover, water pump, dampener, valve covers, oil pan and flex-plate. I see in the 2000 catalog that you could still get a brand new Explorer long block for under $1500. That was a deal.
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Re: short block, long block
Every company has their own perception I suppose. When I was looking at Cobra long blocks a few months ago the one I was going to buy was a complete motor except for the supercharger. The guy said it even had spark plugs and oil in it and was ready to go.
92 302 Ranger - sold
94 302 Ranger AWD - sold
07 BMW 335xi - tuned, boost turned up, E85 - sold
04 911 TT - to many mods to list. Over 600 All Wheel HP on pump gas - sold
2015 Coyote - daily driver
03 Cobra - 2.3 TVS on a built 12:1 CR motor with ported heads, cams, long tubes etc.
MD Racing Lean Protection Module
E85
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94 302 Ranger AWD - sold
07 BMW 335xi - tuned, boost turned up, E85 - sold
04 911 TT - to many mods to list. Over 600 All Wheel HP on pump gas - sold
2015 Coyote - daily driver
03 Cobra - 2.3 TVS on a built 12:1 CR motor with ported heads, cams, long tubes etc.
MD Racing Lean Protection Module
E85
Tuned by MD Racing
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Re: short block, long block
Malcolm,
Part of the problem in talking about two complete different engine series. Your Cobra engine you were looking at is made for a very limited application. The short/long blocks from Ford can go in so many different cars/trucks it's hard to make one to fit all. They actually give the disclaimer that certain things might have to be changed to fit the chassis.
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Part of the problem in talking about two complete different engine series. Your Cobra engine you were looking at is made for a very limited application. The short/long blocks from Ford can go in so many different cars/trucks it's hard to make one to fit all. They actually give the disclaimer that certain things might have to be changed to fit the chassis.
Dave
'66'Ranchero 302/5 speed
2015 Stage 3 Roush - rated at 670 hp
2000 Ext Cab/4 door swap project
2000 Ext Cab/4 door, Summer beater
2000 Ext Cab/4 door, Winter beater
1969 Fairlane Cobra in Barn, just waiting
2015 Stage 3 Roush - rated at 670 hp
2000 Ext Cab/4 door swap project
2000 Ext Cab/4 door, Summer beater
2000 Ext Cab/4 door, Winter beater
1969 Fairlane Cobra in Barn, just waiting